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let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are wire going e going to get a? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make pa small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on millionaires. that means could you get it up from 400 to 750? a deal is within reach. he's got to figure out -- i think go one more time. they seem to have had it and they don't want to try boehner one more time but i think they're making a big mace take. -- making a big mistake. >> congressman, if he puts down a bill that requires democrats to get it pass, there will be a revolt. >> my frustration is with the democrats because the house republicans, our conscience is clear. in august we passed a bill to extend all of the tax rates. we did deal with the fiscal cliff issues weeks have passed that. it's harry reid and the president that have yet to come up with s
let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are wire going e going to get a? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make pa small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on millionaires. that means could you get it up from 400 to 750? a deal is within reach. he's got...
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are we going to avoid the fiscal cliff by the first of the year or not? >> i hope so. if you look at the final positions last monday of both the president and speaker boehner, they were this close, they were this close to a solution. the president was about $200 billion higher on revenues, speaker boehner $200 billion higher on spending cuts. out of a $4 trillion budget, that doesn't seem insurmountable. so i hope they would keep talking. my one bit of advice to speaker boehner is this -- you cannot pass a bill with just republicans. on a broad thing like this, you need both and he has put himself with plan b in sort of an impossible position. he has to get these hard right guys to go along with him. if he were to say and the president were to say we're going to pass a bill with a majority of democrats and a majority of republicans in the house and senate the, we could get a mainstream bill. i know he's worried about his speakership but what i found in my 37 years as a legislator, when you show leadership, when you show redirection and courage, even people who disagree
are we going to avoid the fiscal cliff by the first of the year or not? >> i hope so. if you look at the final positions last monday of both the president and speaker boehner, they were this close, they were this close to a solution. the president was about $200 billion higher on revenues, speaker boehner $200 billion higher on spending cuts. out of a $4 trillion budget, that doesn't seem insurmountable. so i hope they would keep talking. my one bit of advice to speaker boehner is this --...
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. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off, the president urged congress that pass a scaled-back stop-gap measure. >> senators agreed on sunday to pass -- >> i think unfortunately there will only be a small deal. >> it is going to be a patch. >> kristin welker, traveling with the president in honolulu. the question is will he be cutting hi vacation short? does he have a royal to play? or is it up to the senate, as some are saying? >> reporter: first of all, i think it is likely we'll see him cut his vacation short. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to work together. a lot of focus shifts to mcdonnell. he has to try to get something that will pass with republicans that they can get through the house and senate, but i think president obama certainly has a role to play. remember, he is the one who ran on the platform. >>> you heard him map out on friday. he would like a scaled-back version of the grand barga
. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off, the president urged congress that pass a scaled-back stop-gap measure. >> senators agreed on sunday to pass -- >> i think unfortunately there will only be a small deal. >> it is going to be a patch. >> kristin welker, traveling with the president in honolulu. the question is will...
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while the fiscal cliff creeps ever closer. will there be a big new years resolution? plus -- >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our school to protect our children, then call me crazy. >> the head of the nra speaks out exclusively to nbc news intensifying the emotionally charged debate on gun control. it's monday, december 24th. welcome to this special edition of "m schsnb"msnbc." as for president obama and john boehner, they are miles apart. neither are them talking about the deal the country really needs. kristin, we were talking yesterday that there's a possibility the president was considering coming back early perhaps thshould they strike a deal of some sort. >> i think it's likely president obama will cut his vacation short. we haven't gotten guidance about when that is going to happen. the white house is calling this a working vacation, but the reality is that talks are largely deadlocked over the fiscal cliff. there have been a few conversations going on at the staff level but really the e
while the fiscal cliff creeps ever closer. will there be a big new years resolution? plus -- >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our school to protect our children, then call me crazy. >> the head of the nra speaks out exclusively to nbc news intensifying the emotionally charged debate on gun control. it's monday, december 24th. welcome to this special edition of "m schsnb"msnbc." as for president obama and john boehner, they are miles...
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is there the possibility of a little bit of a band-aid for most americans before the fiscal cliff? >> i think absolutely. and i think also congress can buy a little more time if because, you know, what this deadline is congressional imposed so the band-aid over to january 2nd, the vote counting, 60 senate, 218 in the house is really -- this is the fine tuning that's going on to get these two big numbers in the deals and, thomas, i think then we have to think to get the patch, will it be bet tore have it slop over to the new congress in january 3rd or have the lame duck votes? i think even a patch may be a tough vote unless it's very, very broad so you have a few alternatives to go but at least if you're thinking small not big, there's a way out. >> all right. so reversing that, bob, thinking big not small, is the white house hoping to achieve some type of grand deal or is that just out of window at this point with so little time left? >> yes, thomas. i think any hope of a grand bargain this month is out the window. and the heavy lifting will be done, i agree with lynn, in 2013. wit
is there the possibility of a little bit of a band-aid for most americans before the fiscal cliff? >> i think absolutely. and i think also congress can buy a little more time if because, you know, what this deadline is congressional imposed so the band-aid over to january 2nd, the vote counting, 60 senate, 218 in the house is really -- this is the fine tuning that's going on to get these two big numbers in the deals and, thomas, i think then we have to think to get the patch, will it be...
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just eight days left before we go off the fiscal cliff. very quiet in washington because congress and the president, they're on vacation. want to bring in our guest, grover norquist. he's the president of americans for tax reform. 213 congressmen and 39 senators have signed his pledge, vowing not to raise taxes. grover, thank you for joining us, especially on this holiday christmas eve. appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> first i want to play for you something that republican senator johnny isaacson of georgia said yesterday about what he might do when it comes to taxes. >> no one wants taxes to go up on the middle class. i don't want them to go up on anybody. i'm not in the majority of the united states senate, and he's the president of the united states. if we get down to the end of this year and the only choice we have is to save taxes going up on the middle class, then i would support that. >> grover, as you know, johnny isakson is not exactly a moderate. he's saying he would support tax increases for everybody below the middle c
just eight days left before we go off the fiscal cliff. very quiet in washington because congress and the president, they're on vacation. want to bring in our guest, grover norquist. he's the president of americans for tax reform. 213 congressmen and 39 senators have signed his pledge, vowing not to raise taxes. grover, thank you for joining us, especially on this holiday christmas eve. appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> first i want to play for you something that republican...
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our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats especially who i'm talking to in the senate which is probably where this will originate, the reality is that democrats don't hold a very big majority. her going to need to have a handful of republicans to cross party lines and vote with them on the whole concept of raising any taxes. especially what the president wants which is something that is raising taxes on all americans making more than $250,000. that's the senate. never mind the house, which of course, made clear to the house speaker that they won't even go for something that's a million dollars or more when it comes to tax increases. that was last week. >> dana, you were saying that when you were reporting on it when it was breaking that evening, you called that devastating for john boehner. now that hou
our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats especially who i'm talking to in the senate which is probably where this will originate, the reality is that democrats don't hold a very big majority. her going to need to have a handful of...
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with congress' attention on the fiscal cliff, could take a few weeks to address this. might want to stock up on milk while the prices are still lower this week. >>> a winter storm could become a big problem for winter travelers. what you need to know before heading out this christmas eve, next. make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. test drive! but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a jetta. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. on any new volkswagen. progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us an
with congress' attention on the fiscal cliff, could take a few weeks to address this. might want to stock up on milk while the prices are still lower this week. >>> a winter storm could become a big problem for winter travelers. what you need to know before heading out this christmas eve, next. make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. test drive! but we still need...
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cliff. will a shift too the senate save the day? then paradise lost. will president obama leave hawaii behind the day after christmas if a deal is in the works and the election hangover. new comments from one of mitt romney's sons that you might describe as puzzling. what do they really mean? and the gun battle rages on. new reports on why nothing may get done even after the sandy hook tragedy. >>> a massive tax hike and spending cuts -- republicans and democrats continue to point fingers in opposite directions, hinting that talks could go into the new year. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are, and i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. he senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff. >> we only have nine days left here. when are we going to get serious about actual solutions? i would welcome john to tell me. he says he wants a solution. give us one, john. >> meanwhile, president obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first
cliff. will a shift too the senate save the day? then paradise lost. will president obama leave hawaii behind the day after christmas if a deal is in the works and the election hangover. new comments from one of mitt romney's sons that you might describe as puzzling. what do they really mean? and the gun battle rages on. new reports on why nothing may get done even after the sandy hook tragedy. >>> a massive tax hike and spending cuts -- republicans and democrats continue to point...
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gregg: congress now on holiday break while the fiscal cliff deadline looms. by the way we just got an urgent bulletin. peter barnes at the fox business network, that administration officials say the staff discussions are continuing even though the president's in hawaii. most everybody is vacated the capitol. but we're eight days away until the spending cuts and big tax hikes kick in for every american and at this moment the negotiations really do appear to be at a standstill notwithstanding talks. there are serious questions whether a compromise could be reached. lawmakerses warn no deal could plunge our economy into recession. here is senator joe lieberman. >> it's the first time i feel it is more likely we will go over the cliff than not and, if we allow that to happen it will be the most colossal, consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in american history because of the impact it will have on almost every american. gregg: marjorie clifton, former consultant to the obama campaign and principal of clifton consulting an
gregg: congress now on holiday break while the fiscal cliff deadline looms. by the way we just got an urgent bulletin. peter barnes at the fox business network, that administration officials say the staff discussions are continuing even though the president's in hawaii. most everybody is vacated the capitol. but we're eight days away until the spending cuts and big tax hikes kick in for every american and at this moment the negotiations really do appear to be at a standstill notwithstanding...
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shows calling the president's pathetic leadership on the fiscal cliff. listen. >> the president's been a pathetic fiscal leader. he's produced three budgets and can't get one vote for any of his budgets. boehner will be tip o'neill. obama needs to be ronald reagan. i would vote for revenue, including tax rate hikes, even though i don't like them, to save the country from becoming greece. but i'm not going to set aside the $1.2 trillion in cuts. any hope of going over the fiscal cliff must start in the senate. >> gretchen: a lot of people were upset because members of congress just can't seem to get their act together or the president, depending on which side of the fence that you're on of the they were upset that they went on christmas vacations. the president went to hawaii and members of congress went home. both sides said we're going to come back to washington because we've got to solve the situation. i think what so many people are frustrated about is this is an ongoing situation. it's like every year we come to this point where we're talk being this
shows calling the president's pathetic leadership on the fiscal cliff. listen. >> the president's been a pathetic fiscal leader. he's produced three budgets and can't get one vote for any of his budgets. boehner will be tip o'neill. obama needs to be ronald reagan. i would vote for revenue, including tax rate hikes, even though i don't like them, to save the country from becoming greece. but i'm not going to set aside the $1.2 trillion in cuts. any hope of going over the fiscal cliff must...
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it is called the fiscal cliff. for that reason. a plan to stop it all from happening still eludes washington. so congress has broken camp for the holidays, the president has gone to hawaii on vacation. white house correspondent brianna keilar tells us no one is really talking, anyone, to get this solved. at least not here at christmas. >> reporter: senate democrats are not in conversations right now with senate republicans or with house republicans. and this is problematic obviously because in order to avoid the fiscal cliff, you would need to find some sort of deal that would make it through the senate and the house and that would mean democratic and republican support. right now, all eyes on the senate because they will reconvene on the 27th that is thursday. and senate majority leader harry reid, it is up to him really to cobble together something that can get some of that support. right now the white house is still supporting a threshold of $250,000 back to their initial starting point for tax rates going up for those making mo
it is called the fiscal cliff. for that reason. a plan to stop it all from happening still eludes washington. so congress has broken camp for the holidays, the president has gone to hawaii on vacation. white house correspondent brianna keilar tells us no one is really talking, anyone, to get this solved. at least not here at christmas. >> reporter: senate democrats are not in conversations right now with senate republicans or with house republicans. and this is problematic obviously...
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what happens if the president and congress fail to reach an agreement on averting this so-called fiscal cliff? >> well, we go over it. you know, maybe the analogy of fiscal cliff that everyone is using might not be perfect because that doesn't end everything. there will be negotiations afterwards. in fact republicans who think that we are going overlook to the debt ceiling hike that will have to happen some time in the beginning of next year, perhaps at the end of january, or early february, at the point where negotiations will really pick up again, because they'll have some leverage there. there are reports out that some agencies, the defense department, that are facing these cuts as a result of the fiscal cliff are planning already ahead knowing that there will be negotiations afterwards if no deal is reached, and believing that some type of remedy will occur. they are not really starting to cut as much as they would believing that some deal, even if it doesn't happen before january 3rd will happen after january 3rd. >> reporter: you can be sure that they are actually lobbying and act
what happens if the president and congress fail to reach an agreement on averting this so-called fiscal cliff? >> well, we go over it. you know, maybe the analogy of fiscal cliff that everyone is using might not be perfect because that doesn't end everything. there will be negotiations afterwards. in fact republicans who think that we are going overlook to the debt ceiling hike that will have to happen some time in the beginning of next year, perhaps at the end of january, or early...